Two very different looks at what’s behind UFOs. First, an interview with consciousness thinker Mark Gober, the author of An End to Upside Down Contact: UFOs, Aliens, and Spirits—and Why Their Ongoing Interaction with Human Civilization Matters. This book applies insights from a previous stellar academic and business career that Gober left to ruminate upon “Upside Down” thinking, living, and liberty in three other works. Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris and Gober consider how Gober’s evolving and expanding interests may apply not only to the Big Question of humanity’s collective relationship to Reality, but how individuals should relate themselves to that Reality. An earlier Paracast features Gene Steinberg talking to Philip Mantle with Tim Swartz. Here Philip’s book UFO Landings UK and its many “High Strangeness” cases are discussed. Many stories concern lesser-known but very bizarre events, illustrating the wild variety of occupant types and potential purposes reported or speculated. Recorded in the wake of the May 2022 Congressional hearing, this podcast affords useful observations and comparisons with the long-awaited Report to Congress. By the way, contrary to a closing opinion here, CUFOS is very much alive! (WM)
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